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12 pacific. an o'reilly factor special, well, it is special. it's next. thanks for joining us tonight. have a great fourth. captioned by closed captioning services, inc. the o'reilly factor is on. tonight, the finest so far this year. informative. hard hitting and even hilarious. >> got the palin bus and i see oscar mayer has the anthony weiner mobile out. >> miller. bernie goldberg. the culture warriors. >> who had that sweat. i bet you do. >> ozzie nelson give i gave it. >> even ernest borgnine joins in. >> you are a goo good guy, bil. i want to tell you right to your face. >> i appreciate that. >> all the best wrapped into one. >> why is it specific to obama sthvment. >> because he is driving the policy. >> it is the factor's finest, right now. caution. you are about to enter the no spin zone. the factor begins right now.
>> bill: hi, i'm bil bill o're. thanks for joining us for this special preks o presentation oe factor's finest. gallup poll on redistribution of health. here is what struck me about the gallup poll. half the country, 47% wants the income redistr redistribution. >> that is oft and right wing buzz phrase that means we will give more money. >> bill: this is a gallup poll. >> we have a progressive tax system in the country and we tax the rich more. that is the way it has always been. >> bill: i pay more than you to. >> as well, you should. that is income redistribution is it not? >> not really because the
country has to have a certain amount of money to operate, military, infrastrug teur infr, roads. >> you pay more than me because you make far more than me. >> bill: that is not income redistribution. that is giving the government more money to protect me and build an infrastruck steur. is is not redistributing my none any to someone that doesn't have. >> a small percentage of what you pay in taxes goes to the help the needy and poor and unemployed. >> not any more. >> as well, it should. we live in a society where we put into a common pot. often we pay for our own medicare or med di medicaid ant comes out of our salaries. >> bill: that is not the problem. the problem is the mentality of people saying, monica, the government owes me. how big a problem do you think that is? >> entitlements are narcotics.
this is why the left loves to expand the entitlement program in america and they instituted a massive new program called obama care which is essentially socialized medicine. once people get aticted to the narcotic of the entitlement, social security, medicare, medicaid, we have a whole array of entitlements, you get addicted to it, it is difficult to take it away. >> bill: what is the government's responsibility in bad economic times to feed people through food stamps. they have explode. >> we have 47 million americans now on food stamps which is a record breaking number that is heart breaking. >> bill: is that a nasca narco. >> we is so many drk including the food programs and benefits for the poor. >> bill: is that a narcotic? >> i will tell you why. it creates a culture and pattern of victimization. >> most people want to work and do not want a handout. most people want to compete and be in the game. they don't want to sit back and
have the government give them sufficient. a small percentage of our budget goes to help poor people. more goes to spending and wasteful things. >> bill: the private sector is sitting on a trillion dollars easy, okay. the banks aren't lending it. they are not giving it out. go to a bank, very hard to get a mortgage or start up a business. the reason is they don't have any confidence in barack obama because he is breaking the bank with the insightlement spending. that includes medicare and medicaid and all of that. the banks say we don't have confidence in this guy. if he gets reelected it will be worse. >> why is it specific to economy if the economy has not done well -- >> bill: he is be driving the policy. stimulus.od we had the stadium >> bill: if a republican says i'm going to cut taxes instead of obama saying i'm going to raise them, the private sector
is going to cheer that. >> we are coming off a terrible recession and right now 8% looks really good. >> bill: the obama administration made it worse. >> no, they didn't make it worse. imagine what the republicans would be saying if the auto industry was not saved. >> bill: i was okay with the auto industry. for you to sit there and say the obama administration has not made it worse. >> they made it better and would make it better with a bigger stimulus. >> the financial crisis sped like a con taijen to other aspects of the economy. barack obama took a bad situation and made it a thousand times worse with the massive expansion of government, with unprecedented spending as you point out, record breaking deficits and debt which hangs like a suffocating overhang over this economy and then regulations and new requirements like obama care where businesses small medium and large have no idea what it going to cost them to hire an employee tomorrow.
>> bill: she's right. that's right. >> thank you, o'reilly. >> the office of budget management shows that we save money with what you called originally obama care. business might be wrong. it doesn't matter. >> bill: they have to spend the money. >> that is why you need an instrument that is not profit driven. when you are profit driven you are not going to get the best healthcare. >> bill: this is a capitalistic society and the capitalists are not spending because they have no confidence in the administration. >> no confidence in the economy through no fault of obama. >> bill: monica, let's get the u.n. thing out of the way. there are also some u.n. pin heads who get paid nice salaries, live large here in manhattan, criticizing the bin laden raid. >> as potentially illegal. a violation of international law, o'reilly. all more theater of the absurd coming from the united nations. >> bill: we did violate
pakistani sovereignty. >> i'm wondering if the united nations ever raises questions about violation of international law when al-qaeda hit us on 9/11. this institution is the most antiamerican, antifreedom institution in the entire world. they allowed syria's application for the human rights council to get as far as it did. today they will back down and replace the application with kuwait because kuwait's human rights record is so much better. >> bill: kuwait is a lot better than syria. >> still a nondemocracy. the fact that syria which for 30 years had an incredibly mass murdering oppressive regime. >> bill: wasn't cuba on the human rights commission for awhile. >> not only cuba but saudi arabia, russia and until a few weeks ago, libya.
>> it is not supposed to be a proamerican organization. it is a proworld organization. kuwait is a much better choice. they should not be on the human rights council. you're right. you should have to earn the right to be on the council. >> bill: why do you think the u.n. does put cuba and russia and libya and propose syria. >> look all this kind of pressure where kuwait is stepping in and syria backing off. there has been pressure not to do that. >> bill: the u.n. is a fair and balanced organization. >> come on! >> they are looking to give equal voice to all countries. >> bill: to the cubans that throw political in jail. >> once again i have been misrepresented on this program. >> by your own words. >> i said they should not be on the commission unless they earn the rights. >> bill: why are they being put on the commission? i don't know. that would be the answer, doint know. >> that doesn't -- i don't know. could call it the most
antiamerican organization ever, they are a place for the world to go and hash these things out. good that we have them but the diplomats would bay pay the parking tickets we would solve the budget crisis in new york. >> the united states has been the biggest force for good in the entire world and the united nations never sides with them. >> bill: isn't it their job to sign with forces of good? >> and that is why syria is being forced out and kuwait -- wilmington they never signed with us. you are making black and white statements and it is not accurate. >> we obtaind that information through water board gd aning ar those who say that water boarding doesn't work, we got vital information that directly led us to bin laden. >> bill: i did not know that and i'm sure most of the audience did not at all. explain how that went down. how did we get that information? where did it come from? is it guantanamo bay? >> it came from an overseas
prison where khalid shaikh muhammad was being interrogated. it was through water board. >> bill: you said a number of times right here on this broadcast. >> correct. >> bill: you said coerced in interrogation gets you no information. >> i said it based on a pentagon report from 2002. >> bill: but you believed it. >> i do believe it. >> bill: okay, still? >> yes. donald rum rumsfeld said this s not a result of water boarding. you don't want to hear what rumsfeld said sphvment. >> reporter: candidly? i don't want to know what donald rumsfeld said. we confirmed today, absolutely true. >> rumsfeld says otherwise. >> bill: if he wants to sit here, i will guarantee i will hear a different story. >> he said no. >> bill: the evidence is overwhelming that coerced interrogation did lead to the
initial -- >> that is your opinion. >> bill: and you don't believe it? >> i don't believe it. >> bill: you are like a doubting thomas. want to put your hand in the side of -- >> ' cording to timeline, the water boarding took place in 2002 and 2003. it was 2006 at the time khalid sheik muhammad released the names of th kowrier. >> bill: that is not true. he released the information about who the courier was. at the could not find him and that he tracked him down. crawly wants to believe it and colmes doesn't want to believe it. >> let's deal in the facts. let's deal in reality. >> bill: are you able tonight to convince your brother in law that he is wrong? can you do that? >> i will certainly try although it might require water boarding. >> great. >> before we had the weekend's developments we had a number of intelligence reports stating that the enhanced irtare gaition techniques not just water boarding but sleep
deprivation, making them stand for extended periods of time, blasting loud music at these guys that those techniques actually produced actionable intelligence that saved american lives. >> bill: that is what he says. >> now, we have this weekend. the chairman of the house homeland security committee saying exactly that. what we were able to discern after subjecting ksm and frankly one other gitmo detainee they were rendered to a black site in a european country. >> bill: it was poland. >> we were able to conduct the enhanced i interrogation techniques then. >> bill: coming up, the best of bernie bol goldberg. and lost tapes of me. you don't want to miss that, upcoming. at bayer, we've been relieving pain for over 100 years.
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>> bill: in the best of bernie goldberg segment tonight we have dedicated the entire block to bernie being bernie as he analyzes the media like no one else. >> we did a report on how the three networks were covering the weiner situation and by far the cbs, nbc, they covered it after he admitted what he did. cbs, they have covered it the least. and tim graham was saying it is the old media bias thing. i said i don't think so.
i think the cbs news does not want to go back to the days of cronkite and they think the story is trashy and don't want to do it. >> that is not a theory. that is an absolute fact. i know this because i talked to people inside the cbs broadcast center at high levels and they say that that is the new policy to go back to the golden days of cbs news. they will worry about the ratings along the way but their goal is to bring back the serious news glory days of cbs news and that is why this their view these two stories just didn't make the cut. >> bill: stories they are not going to cover. cronkite after he retired was unmasked as like a really uber liberal guy. cronkite i think in his young days was fair. would you agree with that? >> during his newscasts, he was
fair. seen producer on thethrow evening news during that day very well. he said i never knew what conkrite's politics. he put it i talked to him five days a day and i didn't know what his politics were. >> bill: like a werewolf. he retired and then all of a sudden -- okay. this is an ongoing situation. some of the press is seizing upon it. if i got leaked wikileak documents i wouldn't put them on air. i wouldn't do it especially if it put the usa in any kind of a dangerous situation. >> i think we disagree. i'm against it if it puts innocent lives in jeopardy or jeopardizes an ongoing operation to capture terrorists then i'm against it. you have to distinguish between the person who downloaded and stole the documents, that person is guilty of some crime
and wikileaks. if wikileak was not in collusion, then wikileaks pretty sch a news organization. granted antiamerican, antiwar news organization but they got the information from whoever stole the documents and then made the decision as to whether or not to publish. i don't think they should be prosecuted. can i give you a quick analogy to back up my point? >> bill: sure. >> say somebody broke into the archives at columbia university and stole barack obama's college records. you, bil bill o'reilly knew nog about it. didn't tell him when to do it. you are as innocent as the driven snow and the person who stole the documents brings them to you and you confirm they are legitimate documents and have
hypothetically incredible information you have a right and i would think an obligation to publish those documents. >> bill: i would publish those documents, all right, unless they put somebody in danger our troops or this it that on the other thing. i don't have any problem with that. i know what you are saying. almost like the rico situation with the ongoing organized crime thing. you said it yourself, this is an antiamerican organization looking, searching and encouraging people come to them with stolen top secret documents. >> right. >> i think you can get them under the reco thing and probably issue -- now, is extradite over extra died ov r here? you can make a strong case that these people are practicing
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>> bill: welcome back to this special presentation the factor's finest. the harrowing ordeal of james foley. a journalist for global post .com. and while covering the uprising in libya, he was beaten and taken captive by quadaffi's regime. foley was held for six weeks. after he was released late last month he spoke with us. let's pick it up with. you are reporting on the rebels holding the town and what happens. >> we were coming from quadaffi. there was a disspeu dispute whe rebels or quadaffi's forces p holding it. we took basically a taxi up to
the frontlines. >> bill: a taxi. hired some guy and said take me to the war. >> that was happening a lot. and interest there we no got a small rebel convoy. we stopped, passed the checkpoint, heard quadaffi forces were very close, not a minute later two heavily armed quadaffi pickup trucks came over the hill. >> bill: you stand there and identify yourself. >> the fire was so heavy we pressed ourself as far as we could to the ground. >> bill: so they were shooting at you. was killed.mmere and continue he had a lot of experience with south african papers. based in london. >> that's too bad. what did the rebels do? >> quickly got out of there. >> bill: you are on the ground
and the rebels split and quadaffi's guys come and take you captive. >> where did they take you? >> to a safe house and tied us up and told us look, you going to go to tripoli based on what had happen to the "new york times" reporters we knew we were going to go to tripoli and bedetained for some time. >> how long did it take? >> we spent two days in sirte and then we were in a military tee tension center. >> bill: along the way did they rough you up. >> initially struck with the butt of an ak 47, punched. very young soldiers. once we were captured the tension calmed way down. >> bill: they didn't abuse you. did they interrogate you? >> they interrogated me for six hours irnishially and find of felt like a mind gape. one guy would be playing kind of good cop. one guy would come in yelling
and saying we think you are spy. and event wally figured out look, i just got to stick to my story and make sure i tell the absolute truth that i'm a journalist and that is my only chance. >> bill: what did they feed you and what about that kind of stuff sthvment. stuff? >> food, macaroni. in the general prison, a big bowl and everyone kind of scooped their hand in. they saw me as a western journalist trying to report on their revolution. >> they were nice to you, the physical low prisoners. >> yes. >> but the quadaffi guys, did they give you enough food? >> they gave us enough food. >> did they do anything else that was untoward? >> no, it was just the question of is it mind games or complete bureaucratic incompetentence saying you will be leaving in two or three days. >> bill: how long were you in captivity? >> 44 day. >> bill: a long time.
they made you make a call. >> phone call to my mother. first time i heard the rest of the world knew about me. >> bill: why did they release you. my family, friends, global post work sod hard and pressed so diplomating channels i think one of the younger sons wants to have a reformist. >> bill: they drive you to the board erks tunisia? >> the hungarians came up and took us to the border and we got out. >> bill: you been to afghanistan, iraq, now libya, what is the most dangerous place? >> libya because the revolutionaries are not trained yet. >> bill: and you don't have any u.s. troops there. >> that is for sure. >> bill: when i was covering elal valuable information dor el salvador it was the same thing. global post, we do business with them on bill o'reilly
.com. coming up, the best of the culture warriors have a few things to say. >> always looking out for the folks. >> i was looking out for the folks in connecticut. >> u you were. >> it was a close call between the three piece suit and the yellow sweater. >> bill: later, a hollywood icon who has seen it all. ernest borgnine will be here.
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>> bill: continuing with the special presentation the factor's finest. in the culture warrior is segment tonight, rare treat. some lost tapes of me your humble correspondent. first, weigh in on, bad pun intended, on the obesity problem in the usa. do you believe there is an epidemic of scorn directed at chubby americans? do you believe there is? >> generally speaking i would say, yes. however, i'm not an erks pert the matter. i would say there is a stigma in our society that is not a positive one. >> bill: mostly children doing it or do adults mock people that are overweight to their face? >> i'm not so sure they are mocking them to their face. obeselking about if an ebees person tries to get a job. >> bill: isn't it held against everyone, hoover, if their appearance isn't top notch. >> and this is promulgated in the popular media.
there is a stigma against people who are obese or overweight. >> bill: it could be anything. if somebody had a big scar on their forehead or a tatoo on their neck, this he would be likely -- >> there are stigmamas and prejudices against many things including obesity. >> and sometimes it is actually against beautiful people. >> bill: is it worse for overweight people? >> than who? >> than somebody with a tatoo on their neck? >> sure. >> yes. >> bill: you think so? >> i will go with, yes. >> bill: why? >> we are feature oriented driven culture. >> bill: because you remember the founding fathers, bennia minute franklin, john adams. these were ro rotund individua. >> not really. george, washington, was 6'2". >> bill: did i mention george, washington? >> this their old age they got. >> bill: so you both agree that probably there is
discrimination directed against overweight people. here is my thing. if i see somebody smoking and i know them i will mock them. what are you doing? you know, what is this? how can you do that? but if i see somebody eating twinkies and they are big i would never say anything. >> why? >> bill: because i guess it is more personal. smoking is something you do and overweight is who you are. >> except that is costs society money. in 87 -- >> bill: absolutely, no doubt about it. >> in 187 cities if obesity would come down it would save $32 million. >> and michelle obama is trying to get the kids to eat healthier. >> there is another piece to the puzzle and that is at the same time that we are discussing overweight people possibly facing diskrame nation there is a higher tolerance for obese people so it works both ways. a lot of obese people going on
talk shows and saying this is the way i want to be. >> bill: i will submit that in the first part of the 20th century nobody cared whether anybody was obese or not diswrrks they didn't care. now, because of the media driven a and the models. >> it is about self-acceptance. when oprah went on t.v. and said i'm going to accept my natural size. >> bill: there are lost tapes, ladies and gentlemen, but they have been found. most of the time when old tapes of me are found they make me look like an idiot. that is why the media does it. how to they find good tapes. roll it. >> 'tis the season to be jolly and that means a little nip now and then. the wfsb poll wanted to find out what people think about alcohol. the first question is logical. what merchandisage of people in connecticut drink? >> he wasn't here long but bill o'reilly made his mark. the eyewitness news anchor snagged plum assignments,
covering the pope and president's future and past. he was also assigned his fair share of those fluff pieces. >> this winter it is a different story. mid january. the skies are sunny. the ground is soft, not frozen and you don't even need an overcoat. >> from the archives it appeared o'reilly never phoned it in even when had to cover the his tear yao serri then teen idol rex smith. >> what do you think? >> he is a good singer and i love his eyes. >> still coming in like crazy. rex doesn't have writer's cramp yet and this thing could go on forever. i'm bill o'reilly. eyewitness news at the hartford civic center. >> he always had a message for the viewers. >> so the spirits around christmas seem to be alive and well in connecticut and we don't need a poll to tell you only pools drink and drive so be smart. >> there i am. >> always looking out for the folks then and now. >> looking out for the folks in
connecticut. >> it was a close call between the 24r50e piece suit on the yellow sweater. >> powder blew. >> i still have that sweater. oz did i nelson gave it to me. >> along with the lost tapes did they find any of the lost hair? >> bill: look at that, hoover, cheap shot. >> you have the same inflections but your voice is deeper. >> i i'm much more macho. i got rid of the yellow sweater. >> you said you had it. >> bill: i have it but i don't wear it. all right, everybody, there you go. we will remember that, hoover. straight ahead, body language examines president obama, donald trump and a tearful tom brady. >> later, dennis miller loves oprah. who knew. back with that. remember the days before cop
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account certain changes that have taken place on the ground. >> bill: here now body language maven tonya reiman. they tonight look like friends to me. >> i would say that is a very, very big lie when we talk about friends. >> bill: i don't know about lie. >> they don't like each other. >> you are adamantly convinced of that. >> adamantly convinced. >> bill: persuade me. >> two people who are friends you don't see contempt in the eyes of one. president obama is looking and as you see him he starts to grab his chin really hard and he is staring and get that glare in his eye and squeezing his chin as you can see the vains pulsing in business and neck.s forehead >> bill: all of this happened when netanyahu was speaking. >> and you felt like a little bit of the sweat on his forehead and you recognize that he is getting nervous as well. the sympathetic nervousness
kicks in. >> bill: why can't they disagree about the policy and not dislike each other? >> because they were so tis disrespectful to each other. if you listen to netanyahu you heard the sara sarcasm in his . >> i didn't hear sarcasm as much as -- >> we can't do this. >> bill: so you are entirely convince. >> they do not care for one another, yes. >> bill: sarah palin shows up in new york and gets together with donald trump and they go to a pizza place. no sound on this but the camera did capture them and we will roll the tape on that. go. ♪
>> bill: okay. what did you pick up. >> that was so great. i don't know if you remember this but brought me back instantly to the nancy pelosi and harry reed segment we did at one place. drops that hand down barrier. and what does she do? strokes the face again and leans away. >> bill: leans away. >> leaning away. needs to distance. you have to realize this is a bad situation. >> bill: he is leaning in. >> and she leans further away and now is stroking the neck and we do this when we need comforting. this is the best one. you see the ear when you tug on your ear what you are saying in essence is please stop talking, enough. >> bill: talking on the ear. >> talking on the ear. >> bill: the little rascals thing that was a signal to do something. i forget what it was. i don't know why i brought that up. it was foolish. new england patriot quarterback tom brady actually crying. roll the tape. >> i remember taking a walk with my dad and mom around the
block. it was just a tough day, you know. i just remember being there with my mom and dad. sorry about that. >> bill: now, the emotion comes out of the fact that he wasn't drafted by the professional league to the 7th round. it wasn't like his little brother got bitten by a dog or anything and talk about hair cuts. he has the jesus thing. i guess that is the easter look. >> the new look, yes. >> bill: it was genuine emotion. i guess he felt he was a disappointment to his parents. >> you can see the cues from the lower eyelids get raised up and the mouth will start to quiver and go in. >> bill: that is real.
bow.en the pas and the head typically that is not a conscious movement. you bow your head down in shame. if he feels bad about this. >> bill: he shouldn't be ashamed. not his fault. because he is one of the greatest quarterbacks that played the game. also a smart guy and a good guy. i was surprised that he went over the top there. >> bill: coming up, the d man, dennis miller. huge man of oprah. >> i always thought she was so telegenic and so sweet. >> bill: later, hollywood and ernest borgnine. he has seen it all and will tell us all about it, coming up.
>> bill: continuing now with the factor finest special. so hide the children because it is miller time. tonight, we let the sage of southern, california loose on oprah, sarah palin's recent bus tour and anything else miller wants to talk about. so miller, do you wish you were on that bus? do you want to be on the bus? >> first off, i have to say it is crowded out there on the highways. you have the palin bus. and i see oscar mayer has the anthony weiner mobile out so you got to watch yourself out there nowadays. but i think the bus looks like fun. i like a nice piece of pizza. todd palin and sarah palin seem like my type of people. i know they will tell me she is not a genius and i ought to hang with geniuses. some of the guys on the left, that looks like fun. maybe jake carney and i can get in the winnebago and he can continue to sound like a bingo
caller at a vfw with a tbas leak in the kitchen area. >> you know who you should be in the winnebago with, joe biden? biden and miller. that would be the biggest reality show. we could sell it to oprah's network. biden on the road again. >> he can get into the car pool lane with whatever that thing is on his head, that is how distinct that is. >> bill: an extra passenger you're saying? >> yes, that's what i'm saying. billy, i like palin in the bus and the whole family in the bus. reminds me of the part ridge hunter family episode or something where they are all out there together, some on let's shoot something. >> bill: i remember that. >> i dig it. >> bill: we heard just before air time that willie nelson wanted to get on the because but they wouldn't let him because he had his suit case and he wouldn't open it and show them what was in it. >> say to willie what is in the case and he says let's just say
it is organic and sustainable. >> bill: not an easy bus to get on. we are trying to get waters on the bus. he was hitch hiking injure the bus goes.ever >> i think they should sell ad space. she should rotate that thing out and dick morris could buy one for his book, one for his website. one for his polling site. morris could. >> bill: right on the side of the bus. >> there you go. >> every day that i stood here i knew that this was exactly where i was supposed to be. and there was many a day stead stedman can tell you like many of you i came to work bone tired and often joked with my makeup team my face is still in cleveland, y'all, can you get it to chicago by 10:00.
>> bill: did you see attorney general holder in the audience snrks that was impressive. >> that was. >> bill: y dee williams. stedman. they live by knee. i bump into stedman once in awhile. >> bill: do you til him he looks like holder. >> let's face facts, both those cats are handsomer than you and i. sort of like a compliment. stedman always kind, sweet. good people. >> bill: okay. are you an oprah fan? did you watch the program on a regular basis and what do you think about her not being on any more? >> i didn't watch the program a lot but i saw it. i have lived in america over the last years. let me say this about oprah winfrey's legacy. i think she is a kind hearted woman who put a lot of smiles on people's faces. left the camp site tidier than
when she arrived and made a few bucks along the way. if you are signing up for head stones where do i put my x. i always thought she was so telegenic and sweet and empathetic. i wish her well. i admire her. >> bill: in a moment, hollywood not what it used to be. when john wayne, marilyn monroe and rock hudson were big stars out here. what happened? ernest borgnine knows. >> bill: he had a reputation of being a tough guy. >> absolutely. >> bill: was' tough guy? >> no, he wasn't. he was the sweetest man in the world. >> bill: he will be here in a moment d. when you're falling aeep at the wheel? do you know how you'll react? lexus can now precisely test the most unpredictable variable in a car -- the driver. when you pursue perfection, you don't just engineer
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but awesome ! ♪ nationwide is on your side ♪ >> bill: in the back of the book segment tonight. if there is one man in hollywood who has seen it all, it is ernest borgnine. we were lucky enough to talk with him recently. i want to talk to you, you pretty much span all these decades, you are still working. it is an amazing story just on your own. you have known all of these titans. you are an honest guy. let's start with frank sinatra. he wins an academy award. before the movie his career was going nowhere. >> you quit the corp? >> yep. >> he was in between. he wasn't well liked up front in the office but well liked where we were. we did a scene together.
i'm playing the piano. frank looks up and says -- >> mess with me fat stuff and i'll bust you up. >> he broke the ice. from then on i loved him like a brother. >> bill: he had a reputation to be a tough guy. was he a tough guy? >> no. he was the sweetest man in the world. >> bill: you did a movie with rock hudson. ice station zebra. >> good morning captain. >> bill: hudson, obviously made headlines he had aids and then he was gay and all of this. did everybody know he was gay in hollywood? >> i imagine they did. >> bill: you didn't know? >> i knew. he had his coterie of boys around lunch hour and everything else. >> bill: he didn't make any effort to hide it? >> no. >> bill: when you were watching him with doris day
and these classic movies. everybody is believing they are the american quintessential couple. >> isn't that wonderful? >> bill: a good actor, i guess. john wayne, you were never in a movie with john wayne, you knew him. own hollywood? >> when he said jump, people said how high. he was that big. we were in the polo lounge together and he looks at me and said how come we never worked together? i said because you are afraid to work with good actors. >> bill: did he shoot you? how did he respond to that? >> he laughed like crazy. >> bill: one of the movies that everybody remembers you for is the dirty dozen. >> this war was not started for your private gratification. you can be damn sure this army
isn't run for your personal convenience. >> bill: was it crazy working with these guys? >> it is a disciplined disorder. telly doing one thing, somebody else doing something else it congealed into making one solid picture. >> bill: charles bronson. >> i loved him, he was a real guy. >> bill: it looks to me like the actors in your era, 50s, 60s, early 70s were tougher than the actors today. jack palance clint eastwood coming to hollywood, no pre . today it looks a -- no pretension. today it looks a little diletantish, there's a change. >> it has changed. you work on to a set together and it is different. not like it used to be many we were one great big happy family at one time. >> bill: you were in a movie
called "red." in that movie, bruce willis, big star. >> sweetheart. >> bill: you like all of these guys. >> you pick and choose your friend. but you know a good guy. hey you are a good guy bill, i want to tell you to your face. >> bill: i appreciate that. >> belief me. >> bill: kids now know you from sponge bob. [ laughing ] >> bill: you are blessed. >> absolutely. you are 94, the kids love you. >> stay away from the path of evil. >> oh! >> bill: mr. boring nine, i wanted you here -- mr. ernest borgnine, i wanted you here, you are a living legend if hollywood ever need as ambassador, you are the guy. >> thank you sir, thank you very much. >> bill: that is